太極拳致用訓練

蒙塵 寫到:

蒙塵 寫到: 單鞭的用法： http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=nLB2-DeCDIY 無論什麼拳派什麼支流，既是談搏擊，蒙塵就從搏擊的角度去看。 顯而易見的是： 從接手的一剎那開始，以致還擊對手時，都是門户大開。 其次是擺打時，膊先行而手後隨。 接手與還擊時的門户大開，是手法不夠緊密。不是搏擊之道。 或者說，那不是單鞭的正確使用法。 擺打時的膊先行而手後隨，就是沒做到「腰帶手動」！ 腰(或說腰胯)發勁，才使手更快更勁！ 以下是蒙塵的回應演示： http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=vx6kFsT5M5Y&watch_response

Mo Ling 在一英文論壇中表達了他的反應：
http://www.emptyflower.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3426
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蒙塵 寫到:

Mo Ling 在一英文論壇中表達了他的反應： http://www.emptyflower.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3426

Gifs are great.

原來左手先甩掉，右手出擺拳。唉....

網上影片，放得出來，有心理預備。玩下笑下就好la。即興野，有錯才是真。全部合法度，無錯誤，可能是假野。

..........網友

Dr. John K. Fung 寫到:

Examples of Combat Applications of 野馬 and 雲手. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwC_IDlzyg 這幾個手法我跟西洋拳朋友玩的時候常常用到的. 太極馮正

馮兄﹕

你這太極雲手的運用是你自己發明的還是魏樹人先生教你的?
這不太符合太極拳理，倒有點像詠春膀手的變形。
以魏樹人先生拳架的輕靈來看，似乎是不太會有那種用法。

沒見到你的野馬分鬃用法。
是我沒看到﹖還是你沒貼出來﹖
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我天天都在想太極拳為何要從慢練起﹖

Leen-Hoo Choung 寫到:

馮兄﹕ 你這太極雲手的運用是你自己發明的還是魏樹人先生教你的? 沒見到你的野馬分鬃用法。 是我沒看到﹖還是你沒貼出來﹖

Hello Mr. Choung,

I must confess, this was not taught by Master Wei.

It is just something that I found useful while sparring with people from other styles. Though it seems hard, I was doing it relatively softly, trying to stick to Tai Chi principles as much as I can, while my first priority was to protect myself first. Normally I would use other techniques first, but this seems to be quite good to get me out of trouble, when I'm being hit left right and centre.

The way it's used is totally different from Bong Sau from the Wing Chun that I learnt before I started Tai Chi, but incidentally more like something out of boxing. Just look up boxer Floyd Mayweather on Youtube and you will see a similar (but different) technique when he is againts the ropes.

The Wild Horse Brush Mane stretches from 0.48 to 1.30

So, please don't look at these as classic Tai Chi techniques passed down for 100 years, but just contemporary interpretation that seems useful in fighting.

Cheers,
John
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Leen-Hoo Choung 寫到:

以魏樹人先生拳架的輕靈來看，似乎是不太會有那種用法。

True. I am nowhere near as "輕靈" as my teacher. But I'm working on it!

I am just trying to do something with what Master Wei had taught me, that I can apply to save my neck, which can work even with my limited level of cultivation. And something for my student to take home that they can use even if they only have limited Tai Chi skills.

If Master Wei was to do this, he would most probably stick his palms out to establish contact, and control and repel the opponent before the opponent could throw the second punch.
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朱春煊
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJFE1OY988


.....網友

Fred Hao 寫到:

一些現象: 鷹搏兔:透空而行,中的而成 捕鼠:透空而行,中的而成 箭射敵:透空而行,中的而成 太極拳的"擊",由這些現象己點"明" 若頂住,停住,擋住, 己不在太極"擊的"象 為另"演"示故,言明發勁即可 古之石弩, 弩和石"連結"各呈其性, 一為沉重著性,一為展伸往復性,必也互相"連結"才得其一"放", 但如未中的,只呈"放勁"之行性 不過送過來吃的較輕鬆,追著吃的較辛苦

中文很好玩， Fred 兄在此文的 中，可解 適中，中庸和合...，但也可解命中，擊中..

如以命中之義來解讀，那便是目標為本論了。

即 : 鷹搏兔、捕鼠、箭射敵,.......不論空行實行如何行, 命中就行...

太極拳的"擊",由這些現象己點"明"....


TAZ 搗蛋拳論又一master piece

把FRed兄鳥語花香的文章弄為鳥不生蛋之詞

Today is April Fooooooooool

Dr. John K. Fung 寫到:

Leen-Hoo Choung 寫到: 以魏樹人先生拳架的輕靈來看，似乎是不太會有那種用法。 True. I am nowhere near as "輕靈" as my teacher. But I'm working on it! I am just trying to do something with what Master Wei had taught me, that I can apply to save my neck, which can work even with my limited level of cultivation. And something for my student to take home that they can use even if they only have limited Tai Chi skills. If Master Wei was to do this, he would most probably stick his palms out to establish contact, and control and repel the opponent before the opponent could throw the second punch.

馮兄﹕

多謝你直言相告。
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我天天都在想太極拳為何要從慢練起﹖

Taz 寫到:

Fred Hao 寫到: 一些現象: 鷹搏兔:透空而行,中的而成 捕鼠:透空而行,中的而成 箭射敵:透空而行,中的而成 太極拳的"擊",由這些現象己點"明" 若頂住,停住,擋住, 己不在太極"擊的"象 為另"演"示故,言明發勁即可 古之石弩, 弩和石"連結"各呈其性, 一為沉重著性,一為展伸往復性,必也互相"連結"才得其一"放", 但如未中的,只呈"放勁"之行性 不過送過來吃的較輕鬆,追著吃的較辛苦 中文很好玩， Fred 兄在此文的 中，可解 適中，中庸和合...，但也可解命中，擊中.. 如以命中之義來解讀，那便是目標為本論了。 即 : 鷹搏兔、捕鼠、箭射敵,.......不論空行實行如何行, 命中就行... 太極拳的"擊",由這些現象己點"明".... TAZ 搗蛋拳論又一master piece 把FRed兄鳥語花香的文章弄為鳥不生蛋之詞 Today is April Fooooooooool

搗一搗,才搗得出自然的實性, 家中養一金絲雀,精神很好,常興起不停啼語,頗覺悅耳,然身體健康要能唱,能吃...但也能順暢拉尿,花香自有花謝之臭,要聽語聞香,自得處理尿臭,否則那得鳥語花香
命中是果,任何武術禦敵之果
行之過程未必皆同,但我不喜示人以擋或撐或拉之實,因武人是活變的,怎可情願予我撐擋拉,但人要撐擋拉,那是人所好

我喜給人活變,才能應活應變的活著

Taz 別給我騙了,今日"4/1",台灣"馬"和"扁"要見面了

.......Fred Hao

蒙塵 寫到:

陸長青 寫到: 希望大家補充，充實内容，多觀點、多角度去討論。 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylTX9yp8Br0 順應陸兄之邀，以下是蒙塵的回應之一... http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=d5aS7w2ELNA

掏手插臂採加捋

這採加捋的使用須要强力抽拉。
强力抽拉的手法用來對付弱小者還可。對付體格相約的人就不是那麽好用了！
雖然被抽拉的人比陸兄弱小，陸兄也被自已的抽拉力拉仆前傾。

如此強抽硬拉，本身需有紮實的馬步與及剛强的膂力。可惜陸兄就缺乏這基本
的條件。如果這是陳式單鞭的正確用法，正說明那不是太極！！！

如果陸兄要繼續使用這強抽硬拉的招法，就要在馬步與膂力上多下功夫了！

以招論招，實事求是！
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有影像為憑，易於明瞭；
無事實根據，難以探討！